A monk meta QQ thread

[khezial tahr]

I understand about the power creep. But I still think a good timely prot is still very useful. As was said above, not all groups run an "optimal set up", which allows for the precision tool of prots to be super effective. Personally, I'm a fan of hybrid builds. I find the versatility comforting. 2 Good hybrids can handle most areas in the game PVE.

And lately I have a new appreciation for PnH.

[glacialphoenix]

Originally Posted by miriforst

dunno but the statistic i found at the gw-characters (http://www.gwchars.de/)showed that there where more monks than even warriors and there is realy many monks

You can have a monk, but whether you actually PUG on that monk, or play it frequently, or just use it for farming... that's an entirely different issue. If someone made a monk purely for 600/smite farming, you're not likely to find that person LFGing for say, a zaishen mission on that monk.

[JDRyder]

Originally Posted by miriforst

and how many times are ppl looking for a ranger compared to a monk? XD

How often do you see people looking for a ele or War even? I never really see anything being asked for now a days other than healers, SoS, and "other" AKA any DPS class

[miriforst]

maybe, follow these words of wisdom ^^

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

but seriously i think there are quite a lot of monks, but they all get taken very quickly and often in groups of 2 (heal/prot or HB/UA)

anyways we NEED monks, so make the life easier for them (in pve, not pvp where they are a pain in the --- if in the wrong team )

[Lillium]

Quit QQ'ing. Largely, the problem is not the skills, the problem is the players mindlessly pushing metas. And the the noisy people running those metas without, you know, trying to run anything else.
Yes, one heal and one prot will work better for a backline than a HB/UA. This is stupid people (no mm/spirits) or alternative mitigating tactics (the huge wall of minions/spirits that take all the damage for you), not bad or imbalanced skills.

Tired of your options and want new ones? Great, roll a restro rit. They're really damn fun, and party-wide redbar a lot better than a monk can hope to. You even get massive condition removal as a bonus to your heals! Oh, and they're meant to do so, unlike these Ether-fail ele's which I do not see anywhere but the pvx wiki. Yes, I HM everywhere. Why don't I see them? Because eles want to do damage and enjoy doing it - and they don't complain about slightly lower damage in HM. They rolled that elementalist to shoot off damage spells, not heal. They go along "fire-boofing" happily as they would anywhere else. And things still die just fine.

I see plenty of groups ask for eles, necros, and tanks by the way. Some areas even ask for rangers specifically for interrupts/BHA/winter. Definitely not as often as healers, but as a healer you can find a group on average in under two minutes so there are less hanging around in the area. Usually, the group of DPS/tank/etc forms and then they find healers. This takes monks and restro rits out of the area extremely fast while everyone else lingers.

So stop QQ'ing about bad skills. Go fix player mentality and grouping habits, then whine at Anet to change the few skills that actually are bullox. And in the meantime while you're working on the near impossible, maybe they can get to real issues like Mesmers (woo! coming soon!), non-imbagon paragons, and Smiting prayers.

[maxxfury]

Originally Posted by Lillium

eles want to do damage and enjoy doing it - and they don't complain about slightly lower damage in HM

yes they do!...all the time. And its much worse that "slightly lower damage" Check the Elem section here, or anyone who isnt bad in game.

If you want to be 'competitive' (but no comparison to ER) and not run shit bars, you dont have a lot of options for skills (inc elites), but the option you do have are that much better than the rest..lolwoh.

I see loads of ER infuzers* everywere....most are crap at it with bad bars but still..and sadly the only thing a monk can do that even comes close to the ER is apmonking, and that has to take a different approach to cover what the ER cant do as they just cannot compete directly with heavy prot * heal spam and never run low on energy....sad eh?

*which do need a nerf btw, a quantum leap away from monks...broken...

Originally Posted by Lillium

Yes, one heal and one prot will work better for a backline than a HB/UA

1 hybrid+1 prot / 2 hybrids > 1 healer + 1 prot, there jsut isnt enough in the healing line to really justify a full redbar pusher..

[reaper with no name]

I used to believe that ER needed a nerf, but the inability to compete with a monk's party heals and cleaning changed my mind. Nowadays, I've come to view ER in the same way as I view SY, EVAS, AP, and TNTF: a necessary evil in order to keep a class useful.

Monks who want to avoid the fate of dervishes, non-barrage rangers, non-imbagon paragons, etc should focus on what they can do better than ER healers: cleaning, party-heals, and UA-based rezzing (say what you will about UA, but at least those bars aren't completely redundant).

[maxxfury]

Just not that god awful Ua bar on pvx... ughh

Tho Er needs a little nerf.. Not a total smiters boon, but deffo a cut in the energy gain, it could take it and still be massively powerful, but a little more in line.

[Healthy Spice]

Originally Posted by JDRyder

Unyielding Aura, Enchantment, for 30 secs, your Prot and divine enchantments last for 25% longer, and Prot and divine skills heal for 25% more, when UA ends, a random ally is rezed.

I feel this would also be a help in general to monk

that would ruin UA, please dont scare me with making such suggestions.
you cant dismiss duration enchants. the resurrection part would be rendered useless.

And builds like PnH+SoA+Aegis+Spirit bond and seed of life are quite common in pve.

[Lillium]

Originally Posted by maxxfury

yes they do!...all the time. And its much worse that "slightly lower damage" Check the Elem section here, or anyone who isnt bad in game.

If you want to be 'competitive' (but no comparison to ER) and not run shit bars, you dont have a lot of options for skills (inc elites), but the option you do have are that much better than the rest..lolwoh.

Competitive? This is PvE we're talking about... The only competition is egocentric "Who's is Bigger?". And when you're done being a pubescent male we can go back to the generalization that "anything on a stick can make it through PvE with minions and spirits". Because sadly that generalization is, while degrading, correct. This applies to monks just as much as other classes as long as you can competently heal. I often enjoy taking LoD, GoL, Shield of Regen, and LS into HM. I fiddle with Empathic Removal and Signet of Removal often.
I've read the ele section. I've played an ele in HM. I party with damage ele's constantly. It's not armor ignoring or pve-only skill abusing, but stuff still dies just fine. They've got an entire line of magic that's very happy to spread weakness if you want bigger yellow numbers. Or have the necro bring mass weakness, that's part of having a well organized team that works together. Yes, they have a bad selection of useful elites (specifically outside of fire magic), but their builds are not always built solely around their elite like a Monk's or Ranger's build usually ends up being.
To correct though, ER Infusers probably do need nerfed - but to specify I was talking about the monk skills since this is a monk thread. Not an ele thread. The monk skills (bar smiting) are just fine for monks.

1 hybrid+1 prot / 2 hybrids > 1 healer + 1 prot, there jsut isnt enough in the healing line to really justify a full redbar pusher..

Not much difference. but if you are running two hybrids make sure to mix up the enchants instead of reusing the same ones (besides seed of life). PS on both human monks ends up with both casting it at the same time too often (or one just neglecting the skill). Where pugs are concerned, this is likely too much effort. Like splitting spirits for two spirit spammers in a pug is apparently too much effort and people leave when they're a second rit. Even when the first is support.

[maxxfury]

Originally Posted by Lillium

/snips/ Competitive? This is PvE we're talking about... The only competition is egocentric "Who's is Bigger?". Not to mention gettin stuff done fast with the least amount of fuss! and yes some skills are just obviously worse, other wise people wouldnt come up with sc's, and effective synergised builds to face roll areas, note: phys way been a good example.

and when you're done being a pubescent male we can go back to the generalization that "anything on a stick can make it through PvE with minions and spirits". Because sadly that generalization is, while degrading, correct. This applies to monks just as much as other classes as long as you can competently heal. after 5 years there is pretty much 2 options, run crap for fun, or try to optimize your bars for best possible performance, after all finding the best synergies between skills and your team IS what gw is about? ... and if wanting to discuss, improve and run the best bars i/we can come up with and synergise makes me a pubescent male? ...welcome to 90% of guru and parts of the community who have exp...

I often enjoy taking LoD, GoL, Shield of Regen, and LS into HM. I fiddle with Empathic Removal and Signet of Removal often. sadly what you enjoy isnt always good, fun isnt based on effectiveness, but Cleaners are good!

I've read the ele section. I've played an ele in HM. I party with damage ele's constantly. It's not armor ignoring or pve-only skill abusing, but stuff still dies just fine. They've got an entire line of magic that's very happy to spread weakness if you want bigger yellow numbers. i guess you meant cracked armour to increase yellow numbers? as weakness cuts damage taken not increases it :/ and elem HM damage with elem skills is still bad for the most part compared to almost everything else.

Not much difference. but if you are running two hybrids make sure to mix up the enchants instead of reusing the same ones (besides seed of life). PS on both human monks ends up with both casting it at the same time too often (or one just neglecting the skill). Where pugs are concerned, this is likely too much effort. askin the other monk to ping their bar so you can swap 1 or 2 skills so you dont clash is far from difficult

12 characters and what not..also op states pve and pvp.

[Jade Zephyr]

The reason Protection Prayers has been made a wasted effort in PvE is because of largely overpowered Healing templates and because of incredibly overpowered easymode spamming of passive, partywide defense which nullifies any need for protection. Think SY! and TNTF for good examples.

[maxxfury]

Originally Posted by Jade Zephyr

The reason Protection Prayers has been made a wasted effort in PvE is because of largely overpowered Healing templates and because of incredibly overpowered easymode spamming of passive, partywide defense which nullifies any need for protection. Think SY! and TNTF for good examples.

wasted effort? protbond+spirit bond are stapled to every er infoozer, and they are basically meta (or would be if people werent quite so behind the times and slow) and that covers more damage mitigation that god...amd monk healing templates are kidna bad compared to infuse on demand all day all night..

and thats the sad fact about monking these days in pve, unless your cleaning or ap>aegis>seed your job is better done by someone else *when your playing for best results and not farting around with crap builds and teams, tho ill get called a pubescent male for that...lol..*

[G4ymBoy]

Originally Posted by C.H.U.C.K.S

Or Dervish's who have none?

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That build wants to talk to you...

[Swahnee]

Originally Posted by maxxfury

wasted effort? protbond+spirit bond are stapled to every er infoozer, and they are basically meta (or would be if people werent quite so behind the times and slow) and that covers more damage mitigation that god...amd monk healing templates are kidna bad compared to infuse on demand all day all night..

and thats the sad fact about monking these days in pve, unless your cleaning or ap>aegis>seed your job is better done by someone else *when your playing for best results and not farting around with crap builds and teams, tho ill get called a pubescent male for that...lol..*

I think he was talking about intelligent protting, and not Protection Prayers as a whole skill line However you're right in what you say, when it comes to hard mode, i use my ele to heal and my monk to deal damage with spirits...there's definitively something wrong^^

[Dervish Kid]

Originally Posted by upier

l0l +1
monks need a minor buff in divine favor and protection skills, nuff said
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